Everybody hates to be told “I told you so,” but “I told you so!” In Oct. 2011 I posted the following: We should have never gone into Iraq with boots on the ground in the first instance. However, we’re there and have been for years; my son was there in Desert Storm. When we leave, pull out, it’s my prediction, as it is in Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya, that those century old hatreds will flare again, and in a short time, the Middle East mess will revert to something near what it was before we put over four thousand Americans in the ground, and almost thirty thousand wounded and maimed. Just as we made room for Iran in Iraq, we’ve helped make room for the Muslim Brotherhood in the aforementioned countries. Does out-of-the-frying-pan-into-the-fire ring true here, and at the cost of billions of U.S. dollars…again. That’s the result of stay-in, or pull out.
Remember this was written 10/24/11
Don’t Worry Baby, I’ll Pull Out
by L. J. Martin
I think the Obama pull out ploy is about the same as you promised your girlfriend when you were in college.
Realistically, we might, or we might not; but in the case of Iraq, the pull out might have serious long-term consequence just as staying in might have. You can’t be a little bit pregnant, and staying in as we have in Afghanistan and Iraq and are now doing in the Congo (even though, of course, we again say we won’t stay), will result in long-term consequence. The pull-out? A ploy to get re-elected, of course. However, I don’t really give a damn why, so long as we get out, pull out, at least so far as “out” means not having boots on the ground.
Pull out will come back to bite the president on the butt worse than would staying in. I’d like to have been a fly on the wall of the oval office while Obama and the Obamites hashed over which was the worst of the two evils, staying in or getting out? I bet you one thing: the fate of the average soldier with his/her boots on Iraqi soil didn’t enter into the decision, only the political fate of those in the room….
Anytime we place our young men and women at jeopardy in a foreign land we risk their lives and limbs for a no-win situation, because we Americans refuse to win. Did we take enough Iraqi oil to repay ourselves for “liberating” Iraq. Of course we didn’t, that would be at least breaking even, if not winning. And we’ll pull out several billion dollars later, dollars borrowed from China to squander in Iraq.
Since America first engaged in a “limited war,” a “police action” as we did in Korea, and put our young men and women on the line without the full faith and force of the United States behind them, we’ve forsaken them. As a youth of twelve, imbued with only a dollop of common sense, I was sickened by the decision not to go into China and attack those crazy trumpet blowing doped up troops who were gathering to attack our boys on Pork Chop Hill and a thousand other snow covered barren rocks. Think Vietnam. America lost her will to win with Korea, and it’s permeated our foreign affairs since. As far as I’m concerned there is no “police action,” and the United States has no place or right to become the “police” of another country. I was taught that you don’t slap an adversary; that only angers him. If you decide that fighting is the only way, you put a straight right to his jaw and drop him before he has a chance to hurt you. And street fighting or international conflict, it should be the same rationale. Then you pull out.
God knows we have enough to police at home, and limited resources, even if we did have a right to become the police of another country. Am I nationalistic? You bet your sweet ass I am, and I don’t think the sweet ass or the leg or arm of one American boy or girl is worth sacrificing to bring peace to the dope dealers of Afghanistan or the oil barons of Iraq. Besides, it’ll never happen. You can’t force democracy on a people who have a century’s old hatred for each other, predating the staining of Christ’s robe by his blood. Freedom and friendship have to have a deeper beginning than a patched together government.
Since Iraq was formed–three different colors of clay patted together by kindergarten mentalities–it’s a Rubik cube that will never be solved; it’s been a mess that required a despot without a smidgen of humanity or conscious to hold it together since it was formed at the end of WW1. You had to be willing to fling your adversaries, indiscriminately, off a five-story building if you wanted peace…but settling for peace via fear, not cooperation. Centuries before this artificial coalition of “countrymen” were asked to get along, they’d been at war with each other. Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds, all with alliances with their own people (think tribe) across those artificial borders; tribes in Jordan to the west, Syria to the northwest, Turkey to the north, and Iran to the east, will never (yeah, I know, never say never) become one people in spirit as we have in the U.S. (at least I hope we have, however, now that our president wants class warfare I’m not sure). They, Iraqis, don’t think of each other as human, and therein lies the problem. You’re from another tribe; you’re a bug to be stomped upon, or gassed as Saddam did, with a smile on his face and horrid, twisted, agonizing grimaces on the face of his over six thousand helpless victims.
Sunnis and Shia Muslims, right here in my home town, university students, won’t be in the same room with each other. However, Iran, the biggest threat in the world to the U.S., with a majority of Shia Muslims, is waiting in the wings for us to abandon our foolish occupation of that country, and those oil fields will soon be fueling the world domination desires of the radical Muslims of Iran. And I fear there’s not a damn thing we can do about it, short of a strike inside the borders of Iran to take out their capacity to strike us first. Again, from the view of an old street fighter; you take an adversaries threat seriously. And Iran has threatened time and time again and has just tried to cause us the worst kind of embarrassment, and the probable resulting world wide (at least Muslim world) assault on Americans and our embassies, by assassinating the Saudi ambassador only a few blocks from the White House. But I still say, pull out, but be prepared to go back in with our technical superiority.
All we’ve accomplished by seeing Saddam’s neck snapped at the end of a hemp rope is to make room for Iran. One despot down, another to fill his sandals, or more likely his tasseled Gucci loafers. At least we got rid of another bug before the pull out.
We should have never gone into Iraq with boots on the ground in the first instance. However, we’re there and have been for years; my son was there in Desert Storm. When we leave, pull out, it’s my prediction, as it is in Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya, that those century old hatreds will flare again, and in a short time, the Middle East mess will revert to something near what it was before we put over four thousand Americans in the ground, and almost thirty thousand wounded and maimed. Just as we made room for Iran in Iraq, we’ve helped make room for the Muslim Brotherhood in the aforementioned countries. Does out-of-the-frying-pan-into-the-fire ring true here, and at the cost of billions of U.S. dollars…again. That’s the result of stay-in, or pull out.
Should we strike when threatened? Of course we should, but our technical expertise is such that we can do so from a control room on American soil, and should, if it proves a strike is necessary. Losing a million dollar drone is better than losing the limb of any American soldiers, and in the long run probably costs less, not that you can value the loss of a soldier’s limb, or life. And if there’s collateral damage, so be it.
The libs will say, and have been saying, “but you kill the innocent when you strike from afar.” Yes, you do, it’s the price a people, a country, pays for allowing themselves to be ruled by a despot, for allowing your government to have evil intent against it’s neighbors, and in this ever diminishing world your neighbor might be considered to be one across an ocean. It’s a small world these days. If a people don’t want to suffer the consequence of having rulers who are evil and who risk being attacked by the U.S., then get rid of those rulers. It’s a tough ol’ world out there. And when we pull out, there’ll be the loss of thousands and thousands of Sunnis and more thousands of Kurds. I hope and pray I’m wrong, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
And as much as I love our military, you can’t trust the military mentality. To quote a line from my favorite movie, Master and Commander: “Let’s get them before, God forbid, peace breaks out.” Few medals or accolades or promotions are won by the military in peacetime. Sure they want to stay, fighting is their job, and they want to do their job. God bless them. Pull out is the same as retreat, and those colors don’t run.
I don’t want to see an Iraqi or Afghan child (or the child of any country) injured, but I’ll see them all injured before I see injury to my wife, my sons, or my granddaughter or grandsons. So, I guess I’m as tribal as any Iraqi or Afghan. And very proud to be nationalistic.